defending their national territory and it's only by doing that with because they have that the navy they have the ability to do it that their solution will end prior to the imposition of national solutions have it was and it's a very bad structural problem in the e.u. it was that countries would simply let the migrants in like greece and italy and then send them north to germany in other words they were there were bigger the neighbor policy which is a structural problem in the so i think we need to finish with this idea that the solution is european the problem is european role in the the arguments that the left in the media have made is that it has already been mentioned this program think it was you demographics the need the need for workers new workers but i mean looking at the evidence i don't see a lot of these migrants particularly since two thousand and fifteen are employed across the european union they do take state benefits and in most of the country the european union have austerity so you have very large youth unemployment so why
the same poles to keep bringing in more people and less it just cheap labor go ahead roland. this is. especially if we can go count the current trend toward out some of the station. large parts of the traditional labor force especially blue collar workers will be dismissed over the coming years and unfortunately malls. to europe do not have an indication do not have any change of qualification. a recent study of. a ministry of labor. it was very difficult to qualify more than twenty to twenty five percent of all coming over the coming years to get a job and you track the job acceptance rate employment rate of migrants and refugees is very low so do you see a problem in this. it is
a myth. to being dismissed because it will always less correspond to the truth but let me just say something to my previous speaker. in many ways of his opinion that we need a dramatic change in immigration policy because we cannot go on like this and i think more and more europeans have understood as the recent elections all over europe have shown ok and i gentlemen i have to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on immigration stay with our kids.
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welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter belcher month we're discussing immigration. ok let's go back to roland oh you want me right before we went to the rick you want to finish your point please do. you know i just wanted to say that i am not in this same opinion in one crucial point which is i think we need more europe and not less europe to solve the crisis and i give you a practical example today we have to harmonize the as the laws and it is the most urgent issue to solve today it is possible that a migrant that is not accepted in one country for example in germany can just switch country and restart applying in another country for example it needs a leader in france and if you doesn't succeed kiyoshi doesn't succeed there they just switch on and go we have to how nice their laws to
accept and see because we have to harmonize to reduce duration and of course we have to harmonize that a collaboration of secure. regions for example germany has the clear parts of afghanistan a secure country and doesn't accept the salem sea because they just sweep streets a league in their accepted because italy has not declared parts of afghanistan to secure so we have urgently to find transnational european solutions for these problems otherwise we will not be able to stop the crisis ok i just can see in paris john is really disagreeing let me go to ralph well quickly it seems to me that roland you want to create the united states of europe and everything to date shows that's not what people want no one ever asked the europeans if they ever wanted that route let me go to you are not a very important issue there isn't being brought up here and this applies to the united states and europe is that there are criminal gangs making a fortune off of this scam ok bringing people in their n.g.o.s you know they do
gooders but no they're blinded by ideology they're there pat they're ideologically possessed they have a hatred for their own culture a hatred for europe they want to just wipe it away and fill it up with foreign alien people i'm sorry to sound so politically incorrect but that is. it would particularly the criminal gangs in and south of the mexican south of in the mexican border and all through the mediterranean you have a lot of people preying on some very weak people and i'd like to point out also that it's often forgotten the people that do want to immigrate to the united states and to europe they should stay in their own country and build their own country ok and set of having the west have to subsidize them in their own country where they left ok that's a lot said right there go ahead ralph. yeah but i do agree to a certain extent because i once raised a question movement a press conference with mrs merkel and she made the same mistake that many people do it also in our discussion here now that we mix migration issues that asylum you
know to uphold the asylum the right of a side which is a human right and we have to uphold to those who need it we cannot make step issue with migration now what i do agree with is that what we see at the moment at the mexican border is probably a step up by deep state or by some people who want to make mr trump act mr trump was not on here for because he remembers what happened to do this is more of an entry suddenly at the refugees coming in and that is what's advertised as the bucket route by the media now at the beginning of this year sometime in spring i watched a program on c.n.n. there was a colleague on the report a colleague on the on a bus tour from central america to about sixty. u.s. border and reporting from it and advertising it kind of saying i would as a way to go to the united states of course you can instigate and obviously stuck trump is facing because now i'm. crying children and parents being arrested of all
that i don't think he wants to see don't. how effective they want to carry him red tape like to do with mrs merkel and the only two time state and government in the last twelve years one decision was was about a financial crisis and she bumped. billions into the banking system stating things this is the second decision she made during the twelve year reign was in two thousand to say ok people sleeping on a train station stick and car but after that she lost control and. or right wing parties and left to make a mistake especially in germany i see her do much work to do sentiments of people we are able to take many more if it's not a problem because we are a rich country but we have to take care of people who are already in germany first and then we can say. my purpose but asylum should be obvious be separate from that
because there is no limit to the human rights you know john a lot has been said since you last spoke there and i can read your mind this far away that more europe is not the solution juxtaposition when our friend roland had to say go ahead john. i wanted to come back to that point in response to the question you asked about the economic rationale you rightly put your finger on the paradox that immigration is justified economically because it keeps wages down and gives a supply of cheap labor and so on but in reality of course many of the migrants end up being out of work and in any case there's a lot of youth unemployment in europe by asking that question peter you have highlighted the point i made in my first answer namely that the ideological reasons that i referred to which are european are not motivated by economic good sense we can have a debate about whether or not you need cheap labor britain by the way is an economic
model for that because britain has imported millions of low cost workers from poland and romania since two thousand and four and we've seen the effects of that on the economy an increase in g.d.p. and a collapse in productivity but that's not what's driving the immigration ideology is. it's precisely not economic rational it is instead ideology you know it's important to recall that one of the founding fathers of the european integration is a movement richard from couldn't move in one nine hundred twenty five called for the races of europe to be mixed with other bloods for the european race to be mixed with other bloods in order to create a new european of the future he had to sort of racialist if you accept the other way around from the nazis who wanted racial mix city racial diversity and this idea which he first published in one thousand nine hundred five he's a big figure he was the first president of the of the council of europe for example
this idea remains alive today in the minds of european leaders particularly incidentally german ones. now president of the. for many years the german minister of finance said in an interview indeed site in two thousand and sixteen that if we didn't have migrants and we kept them out then europe would descend into incest he used the word incest and similarly the german president york in the dark said we needed migrants to get rid of the idea that me being german means being white and being christian so there is a very clear ideological drive here to inject new populations into europe in order to change the structure of those populations and that is part of the european dream it's part of the post national europe but it just goes very very far as a giant that's why when europe is not the at how would that make europe better i don't get it ok i travel to europe all the time i don't see it's improving i see
it's declining rapidly go area bishop john peter peter the bolshevik revolution didn't make russia better but that didn't mean that people didn't believe in it they believed in it because it's an ideology it's a post national ideology which these people want to implement by by replacing the pop. elation in their crazy minds that's what they're doing ok we're all in it you know italy has been hit very hard by this immigration crisis we can use that word i mean shouldn't italy on its own be able to decide what happens with inside its borders i mean why is that waiting for merkel ways of waiting for brussels why is it waiting for this summit that's going to happen in the weekend i mean italy's a sovereign country care it should take care of its people first particularly the unemployment a bit so you think it's critical right now go ahead roland at a tally and have to decide for themselves go ahead well i did that is exactly what
is happening now after the last elections of march for we had the biggest shift to the right ever in. you know world war two history need to leave and in fact the new government is blocking ngo ship saying they're not democratically controlled the new government he's seeking that but there's a patient of spain and he's putting merkel especially in german chancellor under strong pressure to find a different solution only solution is needed in europe is to control the out of borders we have to retake control as being council president on the ball and stay there ready to go in for and we have to regain control of four of the borders yellow what are the what about it i'm sorry all right what about italy's borders what about italy's borders isn't that the first thing you should be thinking about first and italians or yeah the sad thing is that in this point you
are absolutely right it really is forced to take control over its own borders many more or less alone why i give you an example from. official agency of border protection in europe is in washoe in features four hundred four collaborators to protect the whole of their. europe has a total budget of two hundred eighty one million which is one hundred of what germany alone spends a year of total refugees which is a disproportionate that cannot be upheld we portion that yeah that's an understatement my friend is that's an understatement ok now at the amazing let me go to ralph here i mean ralph if we could put put aside all the ideology and all of the virtues signaling what so what some concrete things to do in the united states i think there should be built a wall then there won't be any children torn from their parents ok it won't happen
what can you hear it do as a first step in your mind a practical step. but i heard i'm progress for them and i know it is to live on that island surrounded by a wall and we don't want to see walls anymore i started in the united states it's a different started of course the wall that we had to keep people from stealing from dare come in country so it's a bit different of course to compare those two was generally i think there has to be better of. europe. comedy discuss how we can beg live in countries where microbes have to leave their country because they feel not safe the second point is the kind of course groups things in those countries fighting negotiating to do your in partnership agreement of africa oh spent a lot of time on africa at the moment and you know obviously you know. we're almost
out of time but one thing the west could do is stop bombing those countries so these people won't fully ok that would be a first good practical step we've run out of time gentlemen many thanks to my guests and parents and we've got to end thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t. see you next time and remember crosstalk. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics school this list i'm showbusiness i'll see of that. what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line to get accepted or
rejected. so when you want to be president or injury. or somehow want to be rich. to do like to be press that's what the four three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters of my house. question. you know world's big partners through a lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks.
america was never great was founded on the rape and murder. nothing changed so we said in. response to these situations they'll be dealing with. people just sad every day people kill each other blood for killing children. there was just no way that people are going to just sit back and allow children to be shot down law enforcement. this country doesn't work for us it doesn't function for us. this is can't be happening in america we call from the streets we've got to deal with why this is the reason i have to write like this is the reason.
that man from the out to his room american far right groups are outnumbered but come to protest outside the whitehouse. in washington it's coming exactly a year on from the deadly unite the right rally in charlottesville. his car into a crowd of protesters. and of the program to the smalling a hacking contest in the u.s. reveals that even a level year old can interfere with the american election infrastructure and impact the results. we can constantly around me and it reminds me when you like. controversial nation state laws up for debate norm jewish citizens claim they face discrimination while supporters say it defends
israel's identity. this law says that this land is only for half of the population and half would be discriminated against well i think that word is just heard is the exact example why we need it you have a person who is not an israeli citizen these bashing my country in israel all citizens are equal under the law on. their life marty h.q. kevin i am with you this morning thanks for watching we have you to do rather world's top story than a rally by far right groups and white nationalists has been sworn by a counter protest outside the white house in washington it was held exactly a year after the infamous unite the right rally in charlottesville virginia the bitter clashes you may recall between the rival groups.
ok. so we're here in lafayette park and as you can see we're surrounded by a huge anti-racist demonstration a crowd of thousands is denouncing the twenty four hour or so white supremacy white nationalists whatever you want to call them that have gathered directly in front of the white house now there are thousands of people here representing a very broad group of organizations that we've got church groups that are out here black nationalist groups marxists far leftists anarchists we've seen the anti bob
a lot of them assembled actually a lot of fun folks assembled wearing gas masks helmets almost as if they're ready for some kind of confrontation now we're also hearing the sound of police helicopters that are flying above however at the moment it appears that no scuffles a broken out we have not heard any reports of injuries very wide variety of causes represented here in front of the white house says thousands of people have come out other not unified around much but when it comes to opposing the ku klux klan opposing the white nationalists that is one thing that has brought all these people together they will mop and r.t.d. washington d.c. but then the deadly unrest in charlottesville deepened political divisions in the u.s. there's a reminder of how those events unfolded at the time of war you may find some of the pictures coming out the upsetting. up quick.
terrorism is is the use of violence to incite terror and fear and of course mr this egregious display of hatred bigotry and violence on many sides on many subjects. is a twist of this to now a year after the tragedy seven american politicians are suggesting that russia was somehow behind the unrest i said in a closed session briefing probably two months ago about charlottesville with the director of the f.b.i. amongst others and asked if russian intermeddling had to do with fomenting the
flames of what happened in charlottesville i was told yes it did but he says he got it from an f.b.i. briefing which was not classified now look if he has information if the f b i has information i'd love to hear it so what erica but it seems kind of bizarre to me that a congressman who says he's not running for reelection because he's having a personal problem comes all of a sudden with a couple of months left in his term takes the opportunity on c.n.n. which will do anything to bash trump and to accuse russia of anything he knows something that nobody has ever heard of until this point that was russia's last year well then let's go with the information if it's not classified tell us everything you found out so i don't i don't believe that it's information let's see it so our people swallowing this from people in washington with their thoughts on the claim that russia could be beyond the racial divisions in the u.s. . do you buy in the idea that it's russia's fault that the people having the rally over there is somehow the fault of russia russian bought tacker facebook yet not
even a little and why do you think that's so big in the mainstream media why are they pushing that so hard. that's a good question i don't know i think it i kind of it's comforting to hear that this is russia's fault and not something that's been the wrong with america since the foundation of this country it's nice to say it's russia's call to go and it's trump's fault and that once trump is gone and once you know the elections are more secure and all races not fade away because the russian bots or the russian hackers are no longer influencing people to be racist but that's not true it's just a nice story you can tell yourself say this racism and this is the white supremacy the united states is not the fault of the united states the cult of rush hour you know whatever else the media is kind of using the russia stuff as a way to. go after the laughs as they're saying all these left wing activists are being. you know misled by russia or russia is behind it and you know even though there are genuine grievances to be had with you know all sorts of things that and
russia plays a minor role if any in you know on the internet do you buy the idea that all this racism and all this division and all these protests are all caused by russia. now i honestly think it's just what i want to highlight is the intersectionality of what happened that day like there were a small amount of white supremacists here but there are a lot of people who are coming to counter protest them so i don't blame russia well ok that was just a random stroll pole the russia did it mantra has been echoed for some time now though of course even in russophobe does get increasingly hard to swallow. thank.
meantime still the states have. revealed that it doesn't take a top notch russian computer expert to get into america's election infrastructure in fact it turns out and the eleven year old can do it reports. learn more about the twenty hacking contest that's what the link says and yes it's from a real website and the contests are real too it's for kids and it's not being held in russia wide this is america anyway meet the winner eleven year old audrey i mean if. we can call them the our own name that we want to make a living we won the election and it just took her ten minutes to hack a replica of an election office website in one of the battleground states. these are members of congress they work hard to approve budget grants to sort out
election cyber security the one for twenty seeing was three hundred eighty million bucks these are child hackers i mean contestants they tap their keyboards to prove that within minutes america's election systems are a piece of garbage thirty five out of the thirty nine youngsters taking part this year were able to do just that so how come there haven't been any warnings for a grown up specialists well actually there have always been the milling machine is a different states and it's extremely easy to get admin to fans grind it's mostly it's a let me show you how quick it is bad guys a little under two minutes. you don't need any totals to do that. and now i have. full advantage it looks like you don't have to turn pro to be a meddling master and.